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Quick Note Between Travels

Alright. I'm back and will leave again in (what seems like) a few short hours.

I visited my Mormon relatives in the country. They're sweet, and I love them... but they have more of the churches opinions than their own.
It may seem that way with me too. I want to better myself by learning how to be moulded after Christ... but I have a reason why I do it that isn't directly from the mouth of what my 'elders' tell me to say.

Anyway... it's helping me open my eyes on all accounts... anything I can learn is good (the process never stops).

Going to see other family tomorrow. As said.

Am tired and drunk a little too much wine tonight (probably slurring on the keyboard) because we had a good dinner with another friend of the family.
Should hide myself away. A little wine is good, but enough to lose a part of my senses - not good.

I apologize if I hadn't made sense in my replies to peeps tonight. But this is the last chance I have to reply to anyone..... for perhaps 1/2 weeks.

Love you all and I'll catch up soon (like on reading your stories, Elle).


Reply - Pluralisim

a response to the lovely locoiguana

It's just a shame that some people have to be so convinced that they are right and everybody else is wrong that they are willing to start wars, and commit innumerable atrocities in the name of a God that basically just said "love one another."

That's true. But God said other things also in the same books. A lot of people confuse love with tolerance. We don't have to be tolerant of the distortion of the scripture done by the Mormons (and others) but we must love them.

God is a God of TRUTH and love.

Don't ignore the truth part of Him, just for the love. There is religious truth. And it's in His Word. Anything contrary is not truth.

Their reply was:

OK, I like where this is going. (BTW, I tend to go off on a tangent about this stuff, so if it ever sounds like I'm being rude or offensive, I assure it's completely unintentional)

No problem.

Herein lies the crux of religious debate in general. Nobody believes they are following lies; and while your version of the Bible (or Torah? Did I read in a comment that you are Jewish?) may tell you that what the Mormon's follow isn't truthful, they believe that you aren't following God's word because you don't won't listen to the full story. A Catholic would say that both of your views are wrong, and that they are right. And all because everyone believes that their method of worship is the truth.

Actually, the problem is with reading presuppositions into God’s Word. Religions based on blind faith alone are dangerous (i.e “religions” that can’t substantiate any of their claims with the real world around them). There must be some standard to hold it up to. God has created the human brain with this wondrous thing called logic, which all standard science should be based on (but sometimes sadly is not). Starting from the assumption that there is a true empirical universe, and then you can go on to hold each book of antiquity up with its proof and its claims, and study it to see if it has error.

Like we do in a court of law, faith is based on the outcome of what is most plausible or where the evidence is pointing.

Unfortunately in this day and age many people seem to think that emotions count as evidence.

So given the fact that everyone is arguing the same contrary position, how do prove to an unbiased third-party that you are right? You can't. It simply comes down to faith, and what is religious faith if not the stern belief in something that can not be logically proven. Within those boundaries, no one person's religion is any more right or wrong than anyone else's - it's just a matter of personal preference.

Actually, it should be proven BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT (unless your beliefs and logic are no better than a quack in a mental institution). Just like in a court of law. Faith isn’t true faith if it is blind. Jesus, for one, never asked for blind faith – instead He came so that people could “see” the truth.
Therefore, if there is an ultimate truth then it must be reasonable in light of the empirical world.

Do you assume that nothing is true for all? Or the world we live in is just an illusion (despite the contradictions of this to our experience in the world around us and to science)?

If there is truth, then there must be something behind truth – generating truth. If that is God, then by all accounts we should weigh up the evidence to see what the revelations of God are and what aren’t. If anything is questionable by ANY logical means, it should be discarded.

Another question I've always wondered about from the "My way is the only way crowd" - your God seems to fail to take demographics into account. Look at it this way: there are about 6.5 Billion people in the world, right? Split up among them are thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of religions, many of which vary on a societal or ethnic basis. If only one religion is right, well, that's a LOT of people going to hell.

And there are Christians in every major continent. Which is beside the point though, as you are making an assumption that exclusivism as a whole, is wrong. Yet that is only your point of view.

If there is truth, then there must be the opposite of truth. Then a person should pursue truth (if one understands truth to be better than a lie).

Just because you are a pluralist – who deems that all religions are the same – then you are guilty of the same thing that you blame others for in this… blind faith without any proof that your opinion (all religions are the same) is true.

Feelings are not fact. Only fact is fact. And fact must be consistent with the world around us. Saying that demographics makes a difference to God’s plan would assume that you are God and have all the answers about that plan. However, God says:

(Isa 51:5-6 NNAS) My righteousness is near, My salvation has gone forth, And My arms will judge the peoples; The coastlands will wait for Me, And for My arm they will wait expectantly. 6 Lift up your eyes to the sky, Then look to the earth beneath; For the sky will vanish like smoke, And the earth will wear out like a garment And its inhabitants will die in like manner; But My salvation will be forever, And My righteousness will not wane.

And also other places that some from all people groups and nations will be saved.

Yes, I've heard the whole "the road is narrow" argument before, but would a God of Truth and Love really create an entire race of humans, just to condemn 90% of them to eternal suffering? That hardly seems just. And what about cultures that simply have no awareness of other religions? We're rooting out most of them, but I can promise you that deep in the jungles of South America, there is some lost tribe that has never heard of any religion but their own. Would a loving God condemn them to damnation, simply for being unlucky enough to not have heard about him?

Where are you getting the 90% from? God is a God of justice. Yet you are assuming your OWN ideas of justice are better than His?

M-W says this about justice:
1 a : the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments b : JUDGE c : the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity
2 a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b (1) : the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) : conformity to this principle or ideal : RIGHTEOUSNESS c : the quality of conforming to law
3 : conformity to truth, fact, or reason : CORRECTNESS

If justice is to mean conforming to the law, and truth – who GAVE the law and truth?
Who are you to redefine the law and truth upon your own terms?
It does say that God creates a way for any seekers to find Him. In the O.T, those that had faith in a coming Messiah or in the law of God were saved.
Jesus was the law incarnate so the faith became real.

If you want to go down that road, I will give you an answer from the Scriptures though (and from a loving, just God):
Romans 1:20:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

This does deem that men will be judged fairly. And those exposed to the Gospel of Christ will have much less excuse than those without.

Heck, until 50-75 years ago, virtually all of Japan was Pagan, and believed their emperor was the direct descendant of the Sun Goddess Amaterasu - a prospect certainly no more ridiculous than the son of God being made flesh on earth. So all the people who died in the Hiroshima bombings are now to spend eternity in Hell, simply because they never learned about your way of thinking? If so, I charge that God is a racist!

This statement made me laugh out loud. Seriously. Racist? You do know that all races are the same right? That if you understand that God created all men, there really are no “races” just slight differences in people groups. In fact, you’re talking about culture in the first place, not even race… so your entire statement is invalid.

And today “virtually all” of China is atheist. But seekers can find God. Just as it was in Japan 50-75 years ago.

God did die to save all people, but is it His fault that only few are saved? Or is it the people that are oppressing others from their own free will that God gave them out of love.

It just seems to me that to interpret the whole of world religion through the scope of one individual belief structure is like trying to describe a gigantic mural after looking at it through a keyhole in a door. It might be a grand masterpiece, but the part of it you can see is only a worthless smattering of color. Would it be right to then attempt convince someone else seeing things from a different angle that what they are looking at is worthless?

So now you’re using the “elephant” analogy (in your own form).
I’d like to point you here:
To see just some problems of what’s wrong with this.

Do you think it would be right to keep quiet about the truth, say in the situation where someone (in ignorance) was driving on the wrong side of the road?
Would you think it merciful to point them towards truth and the right way to go? Or would you think it more “right” (in your own words even though it seems that you may have to define this term since you may have your own personal definition of it) to let them keep driving on the wrong side?

Now all I have to ask you is – why do you believe what is right to be above what God says is right?

I understand where you are coming from. There are a lot of pointless disputes over “religion” that seem to be never ending. However it is warned:
“avoid disputes, genealogies, contentions and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and useless.”

If God is truth, then only what HE has said is truth.
Romans 3:4
Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: "That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged."

I am not convinced that I am right, but that GOD is right. And if a Muslim/Mormon or whoever can prove to me that their Scripture is God’s word – then I would listen. But so far, every argument I have seen is filled with circular reasoning and logical problems.

My faith and love in God keeps me strong in believing Jesus is the Christ. Yet, Jesus had to tell the Jews when they were not acting within God’s will. Just as us, as followers of Christ must do the same.

Love and blessings from Ye-shu. If you have any more questions I’ll get back to you when I’m around a computer again.

Comparing The Faiths...

I was reading a great book for the last two days (although I had fallen asleep on it several times... it's hard to read a theological text in the Australian heat!) - Rabbinic Judaism, Classical Christianity - Comparing Theologies. By two scholars who I forget the names of.

Anyways, I (ahem...) ended up skipping to the comparison of faiths at the end after reading through about 45% of the book and promising myself I would go back to it. But the comparison of faiths was awesome at the end. Especially the Judaism one.

Reading it I started thinking to myself: 'Hey. Maybe they have got it spot on... maybe I should be converted/accept the Torah etc'
But then I remembered 'to do that I would have to renounce Christ'.

I would have been happy to if Jesus wasn't the Messiah, or if I did have serious doubts about Him as the Messiah. And although reading the rebuttal, it made sense to me...* (except how they say that through things like the death penalty, sins of Israelites can be atoned - which I still do not comprehend as a fulfilling answer to God's justice, particularly when justice in this life is not consistent with experience - i.e. as Ecclesiastes says that 'time and chance happens to them all', 'the race is not to the swift, riches not to the wise' etc, etc) but could I say that Jesus wasn't God?

I now know that I cannot. Not because primarily of my need for Him to be God (as I once thought), because if He wasn't I'm sure that I could embrace the Torah at this late age and join the flock of God... yet, there is still no doubt in my mind that He is.

I was weeping through the later Christian rebuttal - not because it could be said to have 'won' or 'lost' - if anything the debate between Christ vs The Torah knows no end due to a different mindset; but because one that hasn't been touched by God's Spirit in the way the Prophets were, in the way Jesus was and the forefathers were, cannot understand the trinity... the revelation of God which we say was in part in the Old Testament and made complete in the New, when God's true nature was revealed to us through His Word and His Spirit.

I know now that the differences are simply understood, but in no way reconcilable. Christianity looks to the future. The Jewish scholar said that Christians read the Bible backwards, which in some ways is true. We see the promises as being dealt with in the next life only. Even if we must suffer (which indeed living in this cursed world, is in part a type of suffering) now.

But however the Jewish reading of the scriptures is not this way. Looking instead to the past and the now (xian zai - sorry. Chinese just sounds more... instant).

In what I read where he said:
That conflict was joined at the very outset in the language, "You have heard it said... but I say to you...
In regards to Sola Scriptura and the implications in the N.T of changing the Torah's message instead of fulfilling it, scared me.

That's the clincher. If we've got it wrong then that would mean we have to throw our whole interpretation - the teaching of Jesus on His fulfillment of the Scriptures - out.

However, the fact that we see such things as the definition of Israel - being any of those in the faith, as those had faith before us - differently should not bring fear. Jesus said the Scriptures and the whole Scriptures testify of Him. But it is also written that one without the Holy Spirit cannot grasp this.
"For no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Spirit of God".

Man is special and made in God's image. And I still have no doubt that His love was and is still being shown through Christ and through each other (although rare enough to see even from professing Christians).

We fail. God is faithful.

Similarities are many. But the difference is big. It's Christ/the renewal of Him who embodied the law (and the communication of God through the Holy Spirit as promised in the 'latter days') or the renewing of the Torah.

Which is hard, because I still believe in the Torah as right, but Christ fulfills it. If you can live life by the Torah without Christ, I commend you. But if you can't - like me - you need Christ, not only to be your mediator, but also your friend/brother/savior/high priest and many other roles only He can fill.

I could not live without Him.


* of course now I realize that it should make sense seeing as though Judaism is our heratige and very much still integral to our faith. Big 'duh'. But I'm thankful to know a little more than I did before. Praise God!

Yes I did one of those Hogwarts Sorting Thingies..

I think the numbers are percents. Puts me in a Griff/Huff tie.



Said Gryffindor, "We'll teach all those with brave deeds to their name."

Students of Gryffindor are typically brave, daring, and chivalrous. Famous members include Harry, Ron, Hermione, Albus Dumbledore (head of Hogwarts), and Minerva McGonagall (head of Gryffindor).

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Said Ravenclaw, "We'll teach those whose intelligence is surest."

Ravenclaw students tend to be clever, witty, intelligent, and knowledgeable. Notable residents include Cho Chang and Padma Patil (objects of Harry and Ron's affections), and Luna Lovegood (daughter of The Quibbler magazine's editor).

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Said Hufflepuff, "I'll teach the lot, and treat them just the same."

Hufflepuff students are friendly, fair-minded, modest, and hard-working. A well-known member was Cedric Digory, who represented Hogwarts in the most recent Triwizard Tournament.

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Said Slytherin, "We'll teach just those whose ancestry is purest."

Slytherin students are typically cunning and hungry for power. Important members include Draco Malfoy (Harry's nemesis), Professor Severus Snape (head of Slytherin), and Lord Voldemort.

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Vacation Has Begun!

Well. I'm here.

They don't even have Avatar on over here! So I've had to watch Jake Long instead (cause Dante's in it).
I think I like Jake more than Zuko though.

Um... Going to visit nan today.

Don't have much to report.

We Leave Tomorrow!!!

It's going to be so nice to be back again.


I saw a movie the other day that I so think the creators of Avatar ripped Longshot off of. ;)

Ummm... it had Jay Chao as the lead. The Longshot character... well... pretty much did simliar things than in Avatar and was dressed almost exactly the same (except the hat was still a tie on... but more military fashion than farmer fashion).

There was the coolest scene where he punked all these guys with a short range bow, and then he drew back and punked the main guy and all his minions went running! ;) Oh, it was classic.

And he was introduced as the young archer for the military. Like everyone else had a go and then he took out his arrow and like slammed everyone else at long range (but it was SOOO fake!)

And he didn't talk the whole time too (but that might have been the minor character thing).

For some reason I can't find out anything on Jay Chao, or even whether the movie was shot in Hong Kong or up North.

But if anyone knows the movie... let me know.


Hey guys. As of tomorrow, I'll be going offline (except for with important posts).

Our tickets to Oz are for the 10th. Beach here I come!!!
And we'll be coming back at the end of Feb. In which, I hope to chat to you all then!

Quick Ellab on Puellapunker's Post on Abraham

Cain - Abel
Ishamael - Isaac
Esau - Jacob

Reoccurring theme. The firstborn sinful - the lastborn/second born righteous before God.

Jesus says "may the first be last and the last first"

Adam was the "firstborn" of God, but Jesus was the second/last born. Both were the only ones specially made/formed of God. All other people came from natural processes.

By the firstborn came sin and death (Adam's transgression), by the last born came righteousness and life (Jesus' atonement).

We (renewed through Christ) are the last (born of promise/born again) and does it not say that "the dead in Christ are raised first"?

We are the children of promise, the righteousness of God (as our forefathers Abel, Isaac and Jacob) and those under the law/before Christ are stuck with the curse of the firstborn Adam (as they are still the seed of firstborn - as all men are born in Adam that are not born in Christ).

Which is:
A. Why we must be born again in Christ to free ourselves from the curse of the firstborn.
B. Why the blessings of the second born, are stressed by the reoccuring theme before Christ. So people would know that the second born (which are those under Christ as well as Isaac, Jacob and Abel) would inherit the promises of life.

Praise be to God!

A Belated Posting...

To dear "Skeptic sister":


I remember you saying that you 'tried to be a Christian' in one of my posts, which is awesome that for a 'skeptic' you seem to have not only an open mind, but a striving for the truth. It isn't about trying everything to get the truth though... there is ONE truth, not multiple truths and each person does not create their own truth because that would be contrary to A. common sense and B. logical processes.

That being said, everyone wants to understand their past, present and future - which leaves us at this whole question of ultimate questions (why do I exist? who am I? and so forth)...

I wanted also to clear up a common lie that seems to get spread around... many churches today seem to get you in, bringing you to Sunday school and expecting you to blindly follow the faith/precepts of Christ without showing you logically that it is the truth, when "religions" and other beliefs of this world all seem to have their own skewered versions of this same truth, or even worse a system that doesn't make logical sense (like Evolutionary Humanism, which borrows from Christianity where it sees fit and then denies the giver of those very laws... having no origin or reason for anything they believe which negates itself as a belief system).

Anyway, I'm getting carried away, but what I'm trying to say that contrary to what the churches do not tell you (you have to get the information from coming to God and searching out His will in His word yourself) is that you cannot try to be a Christian without Christ.
Christianity is about a relationship with your creator/saviour, not good deeds. For it is impossible to make your own salvation, when you don't know anything yourself about the afterlife (and nor does anyone without Him), truth and salvation only comes from knowing Him and feeding off the pure milk of the word.
As a skeptic, it's obvious to see that you don't have faith that the word of God is really real and that His promises can be trusted, which means that you cannot take that first step - because without the trust of a child than He cannot reveal things to you as your Father.
Being a skeptic myself for the first 9/10ths of my life, I have a bit of an idea that your stumbling block to understanding faith in God/the ability to trust in God and see that He is real, could be the same things I had problems with.


1. All Christians Are Hypocrites!

The majority unfortunately are... all men are fallen, imperfect, concieted, sinful and usually selfish. But the purpose of Christianity is not to look at men (because many fail for lack of proper instruction which only comes from Christ Himself, as men get consumed with worldly things instead - how they look, making money, raising a family and devote little time to the Creator of All) but to look at Christ.
He is our example, not men.

Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
But men have hope that:
Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

2. Christians are Escapists All there is when you die is just a hole in the ground.

Then what about the supernatural? After death/near death experiences? Sightings of ghosts? Evidence that there's more than just death?
There's an awesome book that shows that the Christian world view is that only one consistant with the facts (of life, the universe... everything! :D)

I suggest you read it to get all the answers first on how true saving faith in Christ and not merely a label "Christianity" is the most rational, logical thing on the planet, and it takes far more courage and strength to accept that world truth than to ignore it or not think about our eternal destiny.

3. Science Disproves the Bible!

This was my major stumbling block, until I found the AiG book here:
and other resources (they're just endless), that I realized it was just an interpretation of the Evidence that "disproves the Bible" and ironically enough, that interpretation propagated by the media, is not consistant with the facts that are being supressed. It's actually propaganda to propagate one thing and ignore anything contrary to it. And as one who lives in China, surrounded by the subtly of the communist regieme, I know first hand how this type of brainwashing works!

For instance did you know little things like that the rib can regrow when taken out of a person (i.e when God took Adam's rib to make Eve)?

Or that natural selection (used interchangibly with the word 'evolution' in classrooms which actually mean seperate things - one is happening in nature through the vehicle of entropy, and the loss of genetic material (mutations) and the other is shown by nature to be a physical impossibility (non-living organisms creating living, or complex animals adding genetic material)) can be explained by the effects of the fall of man in Genesis 3?
Anyway, I hope this will open your eyes to real Christianity (the Word of God) and the lie that gets taught in Sunday school or in the media ("all good people go to heaven").
Also, that it will help you realize that being a skeptic is a good thing, if that means that you will also join in the search for answers and the truth. I too was a skeptic and my skeptism led me after gruelling months of trying to debate with evolutionary philosophy to the one thing I thought could never be true.

Once you break down the barriers of skeptism in the face of the truth:
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Then you cannot say that you have "tried" because there's no failing when He's got your back:
Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

For you first have to believe His words (not blindly, but through logic, science and reason come to the knowledge of the truth), before you can obey them. Merely trying without understanding what you are meant to believe is not Christianity.
This took forever, :D but out of love... seek the truth:
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

*hugs you*
Ciao Bella!